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Joint =AVG= RCAF_FB RAF209 Bomber Practice

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So, going off of Under's suggestion for a beginners practice for bombing, it seems like we should try to start off crawling before we try to start running. I'm thinking that a weekly practice or something of that nature would be a good idea. What days of the week and times work for RCAF_FB and RAF209? =AVG= flies Forgotten Skies on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Fridays from 9ish EST till 11ish. We also have a group practice every week on Wednesday from 9 EST till whenever. Please post times in EST.
I think we are going to do a couple of things after talking to dougalachi.

First we should have a class on how to actually make a bomb run from start to finish. The class will be basic. It would go over keys needed, how the sight works, how BS2 works and inputs needed to make a successful run.

The other thing we would really like to do is a full scale formation bomb run. I'm talking about flying tight .1-.15 away from each other and having a lead bomber with different groups. Dropping bombs together to completely decimate a target. I would hope we could get about 15+ people to do it. It would be better with opposing fighters and escorts. No refly and just roll with it. I think finding pilots to fly cover and pilots for an attack role would be easy to come by. This, even though it sounds fun would take a lot of formation flying practice.

Of course, this joint operation would need approval from both commands.
If we go off this first suggestion, that would be fine. This probably should be our first practice to make sure everyone has a good grounding and no one gets let behind confused. I'd also like a tentative list of pilots fairly certain that they want and will try their hardest to make these practices so we have a feel for how many to expect. =AVG= is willing to provide its Regular or WoW TS or whatever is needed to get this running.

Here is one of my PMs sent to RCAF_FB_Under regarding practice:
We already read that manual and are using Bombsight Table 2, which is packaged with the manual. Currently we are working on our own =AVG= manual for bombing, which will outline our specific requirements and training regimen. I also have the ability to bomb from high altitude, using both the bomb-sight automation and the BT2 program. Python is having to do a bit of catchup, since he has been gone for a while. We were doing level bombing in the N Africa campaign for WoW a couple of months ago. I've also been working on formation landings the past few practices with some of the =AVG= pilots.

The thing that interests me in doing this practice is being able to have more than 5 bombers together, not that we are in need of information to tell us how to bomb. Rather, I feel like the =AVG= 11th Bomb Squadron just needs time for practicing the skills/fundamentals we have read. I am looking forward to the practice due to the hopefully high number of pilots that will be available to be called upon. Formation work is what I'd like to focus on, since we usually have the lead aircraft(s) doing the bomb calculations while everyone else flies off of him. Accurate bomb-sighting can be done in singleplayer or solo in a dogfight server. I haven't been able to get a large(more than 5) and coherent formation together yet, or to face the challenges associated with such a sizable amount of bombers (formation takeoff, form-up, ascent, bomb drop, egress, descent, formation landing). How many pilots do you have that regularly fly bombers in formation and know how to use the bomb-sights from high alt?
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Well we have been doing Bomber practices on Tuesday nights around 8 pm EST in the AVG server.

SO I would guess that would be a go, or Thursday night even

Wednesdays have become our get reaquainted with AFM night for our RB players who have not been converted yet :mrgreen:

Just let us know
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S! CK...AFM is making a comeback? Hmmmmm......might be interesting to strap on an N24 or something for that....
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Not really Phule,

just trying to get some of them up to speed on what to expect out of Canvas Knights. Rebell figures if he can train them all to fly the AFM Camel they can fly almost anything :)

I am sure you are more than welcome to join us for some training. :)
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RCAF_FB Comd has confirmed that we will participate in the bomber training and practices. Now for the logistics.... :?

Methinks a standardized map should be used as much as possible for all training (something like J_O does). I suggest we start off with something simple such as aircraft familiarization and then move towards navigation and formation flying for a few sessions before even talking about the bomb sight usage and practice. Walk before you run. Everybody should download the BS2 Table and have the essential controls set-up.

Bombsight Table 2:
http://www.mission4today.com/index.php? ... ile=search

We are open to most any time for practice except Thursday nights. Saturday or Sunday morning practices maybe?

Just some ideas....

Sounds like a lot of fun :D

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How about Mondays nights? I was thinking 9pm EST. Will that work or should we push it back later or try for earlier? Also, any suggestions for the map which we should focus our training on? It should have easily recognizable landmarks so that beginners won't have too hard a time and be large enough that we don't have to fly the same routes often. I was thinking Normandy maybe, but am open to other ideas. In addition, I edited the 1st post to display one of my PMs with RCAF_FB_Under about what I was originally interested in doing, so you can see the progression of our ideas for this training agenda.
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I jumped into teamspeak today and had a talk with RCAF_FB_Badbet. We are thinking about trying to get practices together on Mondays around 7pm EST (possibly 8pm, but only if we absolutely need to) and will. We talked about a good website for online collaboration, called Vyew url: http://vyew.com/site/index2 which can be used easily as a digital chalkboard (all you need is an internet browser). RAF_209, can you guys make Mondays at 7pm (maybe 8) EST?

The first practice, which we are hoping to have on the 20th, would be a familiarization, making sure everyone gets used to the plane (B25 probably) we will be using for training early on, has all their controls binded properly, understands the basics of what we will be covering, and hopefully doing some flying, maybe practicing the takeoff and landing procedures, as well as radio discipline when flying in formation and pattern.
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We have an AVG Campaign and SEOW workshop on Monday nights. Maybe we can incorporate the RCAF into this exercise and develop the AVG Campaign with them.

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I will talk to the guys...shouldn't be a problem.
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Ok, me and Badbet are putting together an outline of the first session. Once again, getting to agree on a specific time and day is the biggest problem. Now the day/time we are thinking of is Saturdays at 8pm. Comments/questions/suggestions?
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