H1N1; Pandemic or Profit Center?

[Tiger]

If the infectious-rate ratios obtained by CBS are accurate, the CDC’s figures are significantly reduced and agree with earlier predictions that the H1N1 virus will be simply an unwelcomed annoyance. So we are in the midst of an enormous medical hoax, a design and purpose that has yet to unfold completely, that will nevertheless reap huge revenues for the vaccine industrial complex.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... leId=15860

Medical Doctor retracts advise from H1N1 after reading insert;



Now, I don't expect you to just take my word for it any more than I expect you to take your government's word for it, so do the research for yourself. And, when you're done, ask yourself if you want your government managing your health care. They could literally make the vaccination mandatory by law. So, do they have your best interest at heart, or is it all about the money?

[Smokin]

First off our government has no plans to "manage health care" nor have they eve had any such plans. Cries about a "government run health care system" is a pointless exorcise, might as well also denounce "government run NBA", or "government run cartoon network", it accomplishes the same thing.

They could literally make the vaccination mandatory by law. So, do they have your best interest at heart, or is it all about the money?

Who exactly is making what mandatory? Who is proposing such a law? The closest Ive seen government force vaccines is in the military and that's been happening for decades.

Frankly fear sells and fear and ignorance are big money makers and that's what we are seeing from both sides of this issue. What worries me is that some fundamental concerns and issues about outbreaks are being ignored. Do I think that the whole swine flu issue is overblown and unnecessary, YES, this reminds me of the bird flu BS a few years ago. Do I think that vaccines are a money maker and there are those who lobby for these kinds of contracts, YES of course. But this video which is an obvious attempt to demonize and fear monger is really dangerous. Whats more important than the vaccine itself or if we take it or not or how much it will cost is how we are going to respond and react to a pandemic. This video reeks of BS plain and simple, not that the info is not accurate, but woefully misrepresented. The reality is we will have a pandemic sooner or later, those who turn into conspiracy fear mongers with only help to cause serious death tolls.

Here is some of the dangers of being anti science and anti vaccines:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_a ... 683687.ece
From a convo a while back:

For those of you have not yet heard, the Autism Measles link which was started by a paper in the Lancet in 1998, has been found to be fraudulent. Dr. Andrew Wakefield manipulated patients' data, to link the MMR vaccine (measles, mumps and rubella) to Autism.

Every scientific study conducted to date has shown that there is no link!

It is a simple coincidence that the vaccine is given at 18 months age, which is shortly before the first symptoms of Autism are usually noticed.

Yet some parents have latched onto the idea that vaccines are dangerous and refused to vaccinate their children. This has led to a resurgence of measles in countries like the UK, which has ample means to vaccinate all children.

Since no vaccine is 100% effective, you must have a large proportion of the population vaccinated to protect everyone (this is called herd immunity). The measles vaccine has been found to be ~68% effective. To truly protect people from measles you need at least 95% of the population vaccinated, or outbreaks can occur.

Current vaccines fears are leading to more and more outbreaks of preventable childhood diseases. Some parents irresponsible and misinformed decisions are putting all our children at risk.

[Tiger]

S!~ Smokin,

Thank you for a well thought out opposing view. One thing I would mention is that I said that they could make vaccines mandatory. Not they will, but they could. I also said folks should look into this themselves as opposed to taking my word for it. The idea was not to impose my view on anyone, but rather, to get people to think before they blindly line up for the vaccine.

I too believe that modern medicine is generally a good thing, but I question the motivation of our current government in promoting this vaccine. I believe it's all about the money and not our well being. Overall, I think something needs to be done about lobbying to ensure that our public officials are not swayed to make poor decisions on our behalf because it benefits them financially.

Respectfully,

[Smokin]

I whole heartedly agree about the lobbying as well. There is obviously a $$$ incentive out there to push vaccines like this whether its a smart idea or not that is also a very dangerous thing.

One thing I would mention is that I said that they could make vaccines mandatory. Not they will, but they could.

Thats cool, but I would also mention that they could make it mandatory to make us all walk around with our flys down and pants on backwards, not that they will, but they could.

The idea was not to impose my view on anyone, but rather, to get people to think before they blindly line up for the vaccine.

Thats fair, and of course im not asking anyone to adopt any of my POVs blindly either, nor am I even advocating this vaccine or getting it, truth be told have no interest in getting it myself. BUT, videos like these only help to spread ignorance rather than help IMHO. The issue here is how we can react to a pandemic, a pandemic comes quick, comes unexpectedly, and spreads fast! Also the question is not if there will be a future pandemic, but when. Now can we reasonably expect any vaccine for any pandemic to be thoroughly tested like every other drug, Hell no that process takes years! There will always be an inherent number of unanswered questions for any vaccine released for any pandemic, but while no definitive answers can be given and warning lables can become long and tedious, there are fair ways to assess the likelihood of dangerous side effects which by all unbiased reports are fairly low.

Also that list of possible side effects sounds scary when its being read, but so does frankly every drug already out on the market being used. Did you know that the over the counter asperine accounts for thousands of accidental American deaths every year due to a bad reaction? If you look at the flu vaccine and compare it to the average over the counter asperine, by far the vaccine is the safer agent.

Anyway its good to ask questions and research, but there is a difference between researching something and finding scary looking information. When you see a montage of clips with demonic scary music in the BG blaming government and media for whatever, chances are pretty good you are watching some fear mongering and not unbiased information.

Respectfully,

Final note, the regular flu accounts for 30-40 thousand deaths every year, a flu that we all assume is not life threatening or serious and something for which nobody will denounce a vaccine for. Now an unknown swine flu is emerging and is so far not anywhere as serious as the normal flu, but the threat this virus poses is very real and should not be taken lightly. The fear is a mutated version of the virus could result in a very very bad situation, which is how all pandemics starts, not having a defense for it or not trying to mitigate it would be irresponsible for any government to do, whether there is a financial incentive or not.

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