light aircraft woes
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Re: light aircraft woes
IL2 needs to put wounded pilot mods in, after you crash you see your pilot all fucked up and bleeding!
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That pilot needs his license ripped away from him. He had all the time in the world to set that plane down before going over those trees. Thank god he didn't kill any of the passengers. I am amazed that someone would think it is smart to fly that plane with that much weight in the summer and in the mountains. Density altitude will do a number on your lift and he had zero. If you can't get your plane out of ground effect 3/4's of the way down the runway you abort it! This video pisses me off sorry.
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I have to agree with ya. He should have sucked it up and aborted. His ass was puckering the whole way as he had to know he was forcing the take off.
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If you didn't know the video was going to be the plane crash, it became quite obvious it wasn't going to fly before it even got in the air.
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Yeah I kept wonderin when he was gonna pour on the steam, and knew those trees were getting a little close. Surprising no one said "Hey Bob, what the fuck? Them trees getting awful..."
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I'll get flamed for this but here goes, I agree with others that the pilot needs his license revoked, I would add permanently. I'm sorry but flying a plane is not at all like driving and no one should have a pilots license past the age of 60 and this asshat is 70. Flying requires far more situational awareness, dexterity and concentration than driving does and after a certain age people lose those abilities.
Everyone in that plane is very lucky to have escaped with their lives.
Everyone in that plane is very lucky to have escaped with their lives.
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Redhornet wrote: no one should have a pilots license past the age of 60 and this asshat is 70. Flying requires far more situational awareness, dexterity and concentration than driving does and after a certain age people lose those abilities.
My dad is 63 and a pilot and we have discussed his age and flying just recently. Our conclusion is that he has 5 years left before he shouldn't fly. (Which means that he will make me fly him everywhere ). Even though he is extremely healthy(he bikes 30 to 40 miles everyday during the week and over 100 on the weekends) it is just not worth the risk when you start flirting with 70. Even though you might be really healthy there is a lot more risk for unseen issues to arise and it is better be on the ground wishing you were flying than flying and wishing you were on the ground.
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Re: light aircraft woes
S!~ Gentlemen,
One thing that I haven't heard or read about this particular crash is something that seems obvious to me; just because the aircraft has 4 seats doesn't mean that you can carry 3 passengers. Here are the specifications;
Engine make/model: Franklin 6A4-165-B3
Horsepower for takeoff: 165
TBO hours: N/A
Fuel type: 80/100LL
Propeller make/type: Sensenich, Fixed
Landing gear type: Conventional
Max ramp weight (lbs): 2400
Gross weight (lbs): 2400
Max landing weight (lbs): 2400
Empty weight (lbs): 1320
Usable Fuel (gal.): 50
Oil capacity (qts): 8
Wingspan: 34 ft.
Overall length: 24 ft. 6 in.
Height: 6 ft. 10 in.
Wing area (sq. ft.): 155
Wing loading (lbs/sq. ft.): 15.5
Power loading (lbs/hp): 14.5
Wheel track: 84 in.
Wheel size (in): 6 in.
Seating capacity: 4
Cabin doors: 2
Cabin width: 39 in.
Cabin height: 46 in.
Baggage capacity (lbs): 100
The average male weighs 178 lbs. and fuel is 8 lbs. per gallon. Let's do the math;
Empty weight (lbs): 1320 is the weight of the aircraft empty.
Usable Fuel (gal.): 50 gallons @ 8 lbs. per gallon is 400 lbs.
Seating capacity: 4 adult males @ 178 lbs. each average is 712 lbs.
I'm assuming that the fuel tank was full, or nearly full, and even if they had no luggage on board I estimate that they were approximately 32 lbs. over the maximum ramp weight. If the average weight of this group was greater than 178 lbs., or if they had luggage on board, or both, it was even worse.
One thing that I haven't heard or read about this particular crash is something that seems obvious to me; just because the aircraft has 4 seats doesn't mean that you can carry 3 passengers. Here are the specifications;
Engine make/model: Franklin 6A4-165-B3
Horsepower for takeoff: 165
TBO hours: N/A
Fuel type: 80/100LL
Propeller make/type: Sensenich, Fixed
Landing gear type: Conventional
Max ramp weight (lbs): 2400
Gross weight (lbs): 2400
Max landing weight (lbs): 2400
Empty weight (lbs): 1320
Usable Fuel (gal.): 50
Oil capacity (qts): 8
Wingspan: 34 ft.
Overall length: 24 ft. 6 in.
Height: 6 ft. 10 in.
Wing area (sq. ft.): 155
Wing loading (lbs/sq. ft.): 15.5
Power loading (lbs/hp): 14.5
Wheel track: 84 in.
Wheel size (in): 6 in.
Seating capacity: 4
Cabin doors: 2
Cabin width: 39 in.
Cabin height: 46 in.
Baggage capacity (lbs): 100
The average male weighs 178 lbs. and fuel is 8 lbs. per gallon. Let's do the math;
Empty weight (lbs): 1320 is the weight of the aircraft empty.
Usable Fuel (gal.): 50 gallons @ 8 lbs. per gallon is 400 lbs.
Seating capacity: 4 adult males @ 178 lbs. each average is 712 lbs.
I'm assuming that the fuel tank was full, or nearly full, and even if they had no luggage on board I estimate that they were approximately 32 lbs. over the maximum ramp weight. If the average weight of this group was greater than 178 lbs., or if they had luggage on board, or both, it was even worse.
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my step grandfather was 80 when he sold his 1947 Aerocoupe and he was still passing his physical
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